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Hello:
It's been 20 years now since I started to thinking in buying a home theater projector, and finally can afford it now, but I need some help from the experts.
The budget is around 500 - 1000 US dollars, and I want to take advantage of an old 175cm width screen. The room is 12 feet wide (so probably someday I can eventually get a wider screen), 14-16 feet between screen and seating distance (thinking in hang projector from the roof). The room is bright, but I can wait for night viewing if necessary, if lumens don't fit other requeriments.
The projector will be used for full HD movies and series, connected to a Panasonic BD60, a notebook and a Pioneer Elite DV47-Ai DVD, so I need Full HD resolution, and 3D Full HD (the bluray is not 3D capable, but I probably upgrade it buying another).
I'm not a serious gamer, but I want some model with no more than 33 ms of input lag, so I can look forward for a videogame console, but specially because my audio is a Pioneer Elite VSX36-TX, lacking of a delaying feature for lip sync, in case of too much delay. How much input lag is noticeable and makes lip sync annoying for viewing?
I'm also concern about the noise level, preferring something quiet even in normal lamp mode.
The other thing that concerns me is the video mode: the projector will be replacing a Philips LCD TV capable of 1080 24p video. The bluray is also capable of 24p, and I like that Cinema feeling, but I notice that the majority of projectors (in that budget, at least) doesn't have 24p "natively", and "upconverts" 24p to 144hz (some Optoma do that) or whatever. Is it noticeable in anyway, or produce some artifact or something? Can you explain to me about this 24p mode lack, and its consecuences? Would be nice to add a video mode search in the projector database of the Projector Central webpage.
I'm also concern about rainbow artifacts, I live in Argentina, and I can't go to a store and ask for a demonstration to compare projectors (stores don't have projectors, my brother will travel to USA and I ask him to buy one).
Is not important if I can't connect the DVD to the projector, I can watch DVDs thru the bluray, so it's not necessary a component or some other legacy input (but I could use it if they comes).
Thank you very much in advance, and sorry for my english.
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Your TV doesn't show anything at 24fps and likely doesn't even properly handle it at a multiple of 24fps. Philips is completely clueless when it comes to engineering so they likely didn't handle it properly at all.

Theaters don't even show movies at 24fps. They show them at 72fps. They just flash the same image on screen 3 times in a row.

Projectors follow a similar model, as do some (not all) televisions. They flash the same image multiple times to maintain the frame rate.

This is standard on all projectors these days and shouldn't be a concern.

Your receiver doesn't handle HDMI, so you will need an external HDMI switcher of some sort most likely if you have cable TV along with the Blu-ray Disc. Add to that a streaming device like Roku, and you will really need a HDMI connected switcher, or an upgrade to the A/V receiver to make this work. Especially with gaming.

The BenQ HT2050a and the Epson 3100 are both solid entry level models with reasonable lag time. Neither are really silent or super quiet. You gotta pay to get that capability.

The Sony HW45ES hits all your desires except price, but it is the best looking of the bunch.

Frankly, if you have $1,000 to spend, I would get the BenQ HT2050a, and a Silver Ticket 120" diagonal fixed frame screen right away so you can mount the projector once and not think about it. Your existing screen is incredibly small and you will need to move the projector when you get a new screen. So, I would get the right screen immediately.

The BenQ has fast response time and is fairly bright and quiet in eco mode, which is really the best way to run the projector.
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Thank you very much for your kind reply and valuable advices, and for the clarification on 24p.

As you said, my screen is very small, and I didn't notice untill now, so I will get a new one at the time of buying the projector.

I found the Epson 3100 costs twice the BenQ, so I need to know if you didn't want to refer instead to the epson 2100.

Anyway, I too believe the 2050a is the best choice, but when I search for it, I realizes the 3050 costs $ 150 more, and I want to know your opinion, if the extra money worth it. I understand the 3050 is an older model and its input lag is triple the 2050a, but the color representation appears to be better.

And finally, a question about general use: you said eco mode is the best way to run the projector, but in several reviews on ProjectorCentral they mention a "rule of thumb", and advices to use it on eco mode the first 500 hours or so, and then, because of the brightness dim, switch to normal for the rest of the lamp life, to compensate that dim. Can you please explain it?

Thank you very much again, I really appreciate your unvaluable help.
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By almost all accounts, the 3050 offers almost zero real world improvements over the 2050, and the 2050a is just a slightly different version of the 2050. It is better to get the 2050a.

No typo. The Epson 3100 is a far brighter projector than the BenQ models and offers lens shift and more zoom range. It's a actual step forward overall and represents the next step up if you really need brightness. The Epson 2150 can't deliver the brightness of the Epson 3100, and the BenQ 2050 is similar in brightness to the Epson 2150, but the BenQ has better sharpness, black level, and motion handling.

The BenQ 2050a, is the updated 2050, which was the update to the W1070. For about 5 or 6 years now, BenQ has had the best looking entry level projectors on the market, and they continue to follow that path. I have heard almost no complaints from any owners of them.

That said, a model like the Sony HW45ES, has much better black levels, much better optics, and operates without almost any noise at all. It's a huge step forward. But, not really any brighter. Since it is designed for a dark room, it still hits a 120"+ image size without issue. But, won't do as well with lights on as the Epson 3100 (or 3700) model.
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Thank you very much again!

I'll buy the 2050a, it's my best option for the price. I can't reach the Sony.

Thank you very much.