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New to this so please bear with me.
Need to upgrade our existing system which is a Sanyo PLC-xf20 with some model of long throw lens (don't want to remove it right now to find specifics) and an electric screen (1) up front that raises instead of lowers and is about a million feet wide (little exaggeration there but our pastor calls it a monstrosity and I have to agree!)
The desire is two drop-down electric screens (hidden with woodwork and angled to favor one side of the sanctuary) on either side of the chancel area and two projectors feeding them.
Electrical and video cabling is not really much of a concern given the skill sets of some members and architecture of the building.
It all seems pretty straight forward until I put in the "geometry". We would like the screens to be 8' wide (10' if they have to be), the mounting of the projectors would be on pillars with an approximate 65' throw distance. The closest pew (rarely used!) is 18' from the screens with the farthest back pew being 80'.
The lighting would be typical (whatever that is) for a sanctuary with fluorescent, incandescent and natural light. Not really controllable for the services.
Used primarily for scripture and song lyrics.
Existing projector (13 years old? with one lamp replaced 3 years ago and before that I don't know) claims to be a 5,000 lumen and it really isn't "making the trip" More clarity and definition is certainly needed which I am being led to believe, in part, has to do with upgrading the lumens.
Any and all advice / suggestions will be greatly appreciated including what kind of "keywords" I can use to search for local (Minneapolis /St. Paul Mn) companies that can also assist. I am being a little challenged in that arena.
I'll be quiet now.

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Sanyo was part of a limited group of manufacturers that did a good job with inexpensive projectors with serious interchangeable lenses.

If you are looking at getting new screens in all of this and you are serious about them going up, instead of dropping down, then you will have to consider carefully the costs involved. They are a highly specialized item with a pretty significant cost associated vs. drop down screens.

But, if it is all there, which I assume it is, then Stewart Filmscreen is one of the few who can deliver...
http://www.stewartfilmscreen.com/commercial/products/special_applications/allrise/allrise_commercial.html

I would strongly suggest that you work with a wide aspect ratio (welcome to the new age). So, calling or a 10' wide screen, and a 65' throw distance, this is the list of projectors out there:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=1&hide=0&st=1&mfg=&p=100&p=10000&w=&r=&br=&ll=<g=&t=&db=&dt=&c=&ar=Wide+%2816%3A9-10%29&dvi=&wr=&pjl=&pjw=&pjh=&td=65&i=w&is=120&sort=brt&sz=15

Widescreen, under $10,000.

The Panasonics at the top of the list would be close to my first choice. 8,500 lumens, 1280x800 resolution, and good reliability.

If you want more resolution with that brightness, expect to spend a bit more.

But, once again, Panasonic delivers:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-DZ870ULK.htm
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Probably didn't state it quite right the first time! (Back to the bear with me)
Not looking for a bottom-up screen solution. Definitely want to go the top down.
I was leaning toward the widescreen but could not (to myself) provide a logical reason why which I will be asked for. I am sure it is the modern way of doing things and am not resistant to that but ... need to be able to state why.
I will certainly explore the projectors given and I agree (like that means much!!!) that through my research Panasonic certainly leads the way.
Thank you for the quick response and I am sure there will be several more exchanges.

Tony
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All sources have pretty much gone widescreen. Laptops, TVs, monitors, etc. The world has moved to a widescreen standard and the projectors are pretty much all starting to follow suit. If you want quality these days, you go widescreen.

Now, depending on the projector and screen you have, you may be able to zoom, or use a different lens to fill an existing 4:3 screen, but it would be much more natural these days to go widescreen.
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Thank you again for your insightful comments. Hadn't even considered the computer aspect of it. Other information on-line would indicate a trend toward the 16:10 v. 16:9 so it seems that, if we want to position ourselves for the future, 16:10 is the way to go.
We would be looking at replacing the existing screen with two motorized, drop-down screens and the 120" width would work for us.
Screen material seems to be another area that I need educating on and I would imagine that going to a couple of the more prominent manufacturers would be wise for this.
The projector that you linked at the bottom of your first post would certainly fill the need but would be outside the allowable budget. Looking at the list earlier in the post, again focusing on Panasonic, it would seem that, for a couple of thousand more per projector, we would end up with a PC 3D ready which, not knowing that these were out there, might bode well for us in the future. It also appears that the input could come from several types of sources which would allow for the use of CAT5 to get the signal there.
Certainly still at the beginning of putting together the presentation to the church but it would seem that, with your great help, the PT-DW830UK projector (or one of it's compatriots) will be the one to go with.
Now, as usual with one like me that has walked the earth as long as I have, what have I missed??!!

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Tony
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