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Looking to put in a large projection screen at a sports bar. I checked out the 'projector database' section but honestly have no idea what options to choose.

Need something to withstand 5-12 hours of use everyday. Would like it to be very good to higher end for picture quality but it doesn't have to be the ultimate (most expensive). Haha sorry for my lack of AV lingo, definitely not my forte.


Things I do know:

120" screen
Ceiling height is about 15ft (not sure if that's relevant).
There will be some natural light but not much.

Any help would be GREAT and thank you in advance!
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Do you need a motorized (retractable) screen?

I would probably recommend a Black Diamond screen, as you are in a situation where light will be present, and won't really be controllable.

The Motorized Black Diamond screen maxes out a 110" diagonal and runs around $5,500.

The fixed frame Black Diamond maxes out at 113" and runs about $2,500.

Pair that with almost any decently bright projector and you should be good to go.

I would look at something from this list:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=1&hide=0&st=1&mfg=&p=500&p=7000&w=&r=16&br=&ll=<g=&t=&db=&dt=&c=&ar=&dvi=&wr=&pjl=&pjw=&pjh=&td=&i=d&is=&sort=brt&sz=15

or this list:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=1&hide=0&st=1&mfg=&p=500&p=7000&w=&r=13&br=&ll=<g=&t=&db=&dt=&c=&ar=&dvi=&wr=&pjl=&pjw=&pjh=&td=&i=d&is=&sort=brt&sz=15

Unfortunately, as your primary goal is likely sports, it's hard to be sure which of those models will do 'best' with it, but the screen will go a long way to preserving excellent video quality.

Your ROOM is another issue! Where do you plan to put the projector? Is there a place for it that is solid? Does it need to be dropped from the ceiling 5+ feet to line up with the screen? Typically projectors can only be even with the top of the screen to a foot or so above the top of the screen. Depends on the projector on that.

But, you will need to have the projector dropped and in the proper location without any obstructions.

I lean towards a projector model like this one, if it can work in your space...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ-SH940.htm
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@AV_Integrated

wow, thank you! The ceiling is exposed duct work/beams and the 15ft is roughly the height of lowest object and I would assume we will have it mounted at/around that height. (There are sizable areas where the duct/beams aren't quite as low).


We haven't decided on motorized or fixed screen, but if it is fixed we will put some kind of protector or built-in around it. Something I favor towards is the set up I've seen at quite a few Buffalo Wild Wings in the Midwest. The screen is built in to the wall, framed out and there is some kind of plexiglass over it. I hear they use like no lamp(?) projectors but from the sound of what you're saying, the screen is more important?

Anyways, total retail space is about 5,800 square feet and it is sort of L shaped. I'm going to mull all this info over and relay it to my partner. I greatly appreciate your time and help!
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Quote (AV_Integrated on Dec 2, 2013 6:55 AM):
Do you need a motorized (retractable) screen?

I would probably recommend a Black Diamond screen, as you are in a situation where light will be present, and won't really be controllable.

The Motorized Black Diamond screen maxes out a 110" diagonal and runs around $5,500.

The fixed frame Black Diamond maxes out at 113" and runs about $2,500.

Pair that with almost any decently bright projector and you should be good to go.

I would look at something from this list:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=1&hide=0&st=1&mfg=&p=500&p=7000&w=&r=16&br=&ll=<;g=&t=&db=&dt=&c=&ar=&dvi=&wr=&pjl=&pjw=&pjh=&td=&i=d&is=&sort=brt&sz=15

or this list:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?g=1&hide=0&st=1&mfg=&p=500&p=7000&w=&r=13&br=&ll=<;g=&t=&db=&dt=&c=&ar=&dvi=&wr=&pjl=&pjw=&pjh=&td=&i=d&is=&sort=brt&sz=15

Unfortunately, as your primary goal is likely sports, it's hard to be sure which of those models will do 'best' with it, but the screen will go a long way to preserving excellent video quality.

Your ROOM is another issue! Where do you plan to put the projector? Is there a place for it that is solid? Does it need to be dropped from the ceiling 5+ feet to line up with the screen? Typically projectors can only be even with the top of the screen to a foot or so above the top of the screen. Depends on the projector on that.

But, you will need to have the projector dropped and in the proper location without any obstructions.

I lean towards a projector model like this one, if it can work in your space...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ-SH940.htm

@av_integrated (or anyone else who can help!)

What are your thoughts on the bulb-less projectors? I read up somewhere about DLP? I think since our projector will be so high up, we'd rather not have to swap the lamp out.

However, it says no traditional lamp/bulb but then it says 'lamp life 20,000' what does that mean?

Thank you in advance!
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There are almost no LED/Laser based projectors which I would consider bright enough for your scenario. You NEED bright. That's the reality of your situation.

The possible exception may be this:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-RZ470UK.htm

The lamp life is the MTB (average life) of the light engine. This is a non-user replaceable part, and is still a light source. Most LED lights in stores are rated to 20,000 hours. So, that's the most you should really expect out of the projector, period.

But, 3,500 lumens isn't really a lot of light output, and I've installed several of these projectors and I really haven't been all that impressed by them, so it wouldn't be my first choice, even though the lampless design is a big plus.
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