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I'm an IT guy by day and don't have a lot of experience with AV setups. That said I was given the task to redo a medium sized meeting room with a larger screen. The room is used during the day for meetings some with data and some with just video. Audio doesn't need to be anything crazy, just needs to sounds good. Lots of windows with heavy wood blinds and they want to use the room with the lights on. These were the specs that I started with. I went to visit with a local professional AV company about the equipment we should use and ended up with this:

100" Black Diamond Zero Edge Screen
Epson 8350
Panasonic Bluray
Apple TV for use with airplay
Sherwood 2 channel stereo tuner
diio 3 dac (for apple tv)
2 in ceiling speakers
2 x rapidrun digital with hdmi pigtails (28 feet total length)
drop ceiling mount for projector
Logitech harmony to control it all.

We already had two VGA hook ups (rapidrun) connected to a VGA/3.5mm audio switch that has a remote control that we will reuse.

So I unpack everything and start testing it out before the install - everythings good. Bluray through the rapidrun HDMI playing Avatar on the BD screen looks good even with the lights on and a couple blinds open.

So we proceed with the install. Run cables, mount screen, mount projector, speakers, etc.

Prior to pulling the rapid run cables through the projector mount we had it hooked up to the bluray (using rapidrun cables) to demo for the boss and it's working great - looks great and we haven't calibrated it yet. I'm feeling good. The sound is ok - certainly not on par with a high end home theater setup, but good for what it will be used for.

That's when the problems begin.

After the cables are pulled through the projector mount and hooked up we think were about finished - no video on the bluray. Tried both cables and no signal on either. Hook up Apple TV and video works on both rapidrun cables. Test the Bluray directly connected with a different HDMI cable on the epson NADA. Ok so were undoing all the work testing everything and don't see any problems, but no bluray. PC hookups both work. Apple TV video works.

I pulled the bluray out of the cabinet and hooked it up to the Samsung TV we pulled down for the project - works fine!

The other problem we have is no audio from the Apple TV. Probably something to do with the DAC, but no other digital audio sources to test the DAC to be sure.

Any idea on what were running into with the bluray connected to the epson?

I'm thinking that we should have purchased a better receiver with HDMI and digital audio inputs then run a single hdmi to the projector. Were ok with the audio as is, but it could be better maybe a 3.1 setup by adding a center channel and a sub.

Any recommendations on a better receiver that will handle this?

So, I need to go back to the drawing board and fix this seutp. Any advice would be greatly apprectiated.
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I forgot to mention that we tried both hdmi ports on the epson with both rapid run cables and the other hdmi cable we have.
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It's extremely unusual to run into the issues you are having. In most commercial setups I would NOT use the Rapid Run cables, but would have opted for just using Mini-HR cable, or VGA over CAT-5 solutions.

The BD screen is nice, but with that projector it is far from ideal. I'm just not sure what type of qualified pro-A/V company would recommend a mid-brightness home theater projector in a commercial installation... With a VERY pricey screen.

Anyway, I would opt for the Denon 2312 or better. Do NOT think about surround, but consider setting up 5 or 7 channel stereo with some halfway decent in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. You can pick some up at www.monoprice.com (with ceiling grid brackets).

The BD screen is similar to the DNP Supernova, and it's a great screen, but it looks far better with a really bright projector that a home theater proejctor.

I've used the Epson 8350 with a Denon and Panasonic BD player, and I've experienced zero issues, so I'm not sure what is giving you the headaches in your setup.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking it was the kind of professional company that had it in stock and saw a sucker coming from a mile away! I was very suprised by how quickly all of the equipment came in - not sure if I'll be able to return any of it yet. Live an learn I guess.

You mention VGA over CAT5 would you do the same setup or cat6 setup with hmdi? The run is less than 28 feet from projector to equipment.
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Quote (bluetek on May 9, 2012 1:58 PM):
Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking it was the kind of professional company that had it in stock and saw a sucker coming from a mile away! I was very suprised by how quickly all of the equipment came in - not sure if I'll be able to return any of it yet. Live an learn I guess.

You mention VGA over CAT5 would you do the same setup or cat6 setup with hmdi? The run is less than 28 feet from projector to equipment.

If you have to go into a plenum space, then I would first look for a plenum rated HDMI cable unless there was some reason to go with the VERY expensive rapid run cabling, the use of standard HDMI cable (plenum rated if necessary) is by far the best solution in all cases where runs are under about 35 feet.

If you just can't fit the head of a HDMI cable in your walls, then cat cabling (5 or 6) with the HDMI HD-Base-T extender from Monoprice is not inexpensive, but is of very high quality and properly handles PCs and video up to 1080p without issue that I've seen.

I've been doing residential and commercial work for a number of years, and residential guys are generally clueless about commercial A/V installation work, while commercial guys are generally clueless about residential work. There are significant differences between the two, and seriously different considerations. While I'm not sure you can return anything, and not sure you really need to, I would still check with the guys that sold you the gear and about the compatibility issues you are having.

Good luck!
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